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Post by Chrissy on Sept 19, 2013 0:08:31 GMT -5
Guys support the idea, click Yes! Lets all together ask from Zorba to fill our warehouse with unlocking items so we can enjoy the new towers much sooner. Please think wisely, vote what's the best for the game!
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Post by hyo on Sept 19, 2013 7:06:19 GMT -5
Good idea, Chrissy! You've got my support
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Post by Chrissy on Sept 19, 2013 13:19:11 GMT -5
Thanks! ;D
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Post by Hanashi on Sept 20, 2013 1:30:35 GMT -5
May I ask, why?
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Post by kunichi on Sept 20, 2013 3:56:56 GMT -5
so we can enjoy the new towers much sooner It's not fair for Zorba to stay giving us free rewards every time we donate 99 of the item he gives us so Chrissy is suggesting to remove the rewards you get when you donate while hoping Zorba would agree.
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Post by Hanashi on Sept 20, 2013 9:03:31 GMT -5
She's suggesting to open the areas for free just because some veteran players are bored.
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Post by Chrissy on Sept 20, 2013 13:33:57 GMT -5
She's suggesting to open the areas for free just because some veteran players are bored. Veteran players already worked hard many times in the past for this procedure and its not only their duty. For the population of our server they already did enough nobody can call them lazy and its understandable when they feel tired. We all love this game and want it to move forward, already lost many players cause of being slow. During summer there been many improvements, we should follow this road, keep the spirit up and proceed to an appropriate changing if needed. We all have to enjoy this game and not being anxious per time a new tower in processes, that's why i recommend this. In fact game is boring when you doing same thing over & over again, cant enjoy when our primary thought is on the counter and how far we are to unlock. Instant opening of a completed tower ~ free of rewards it might be the only way since there thousands and not hundreds left for puppet hands to donate.
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Post by Hanashi on Sept 20, 2013 16:30:33 GMT -5
I'm beginning to think that my opinion won't actually matter. Only the few 8 or 10 veteran players (and some very rare, new enthusiasts that might end up quitting because veteran players are just too bored to help) use this forum and vote, so the idea will be voted 'Yes' and it will all depend on an absent Zorba. Yay.
And just to get this straight: I'm no veteran, and still I have donated what I can BECAUSE I want to open the new stages (for veteran players, that will be the only ones to actually go there since they have already done everything else and, oh my god, are bored), AND BECAUSE I might get a reward for doing so BECAUSE I'm not a veteran and a reward is something that maybe new players might want to stop being complete useless puppets wielding Long Swords, or High Bronze War Hammers or Dark Axes or whatever.
Veterans have got those rewards over and over so they don't care anymore. Good for them, but no matter how you put it, in the end is what I said: bored veterans want more game now and they don't care about anything or anyone else.
And what's that "they already did enough"? Seriously, wtf do you mean?
This game is boring IF you fail to understand its rhythm. This game IS slow. It's in its nature and it's part of why we love it. If you want a faster game, then give unlimited dice and a Book of Roadrunner for everyone, and why don't you throw a few gems just for starters, huh? People who abandon the game because of its nature were never meant for this game to begin with, so it doesn't matter how much freebies you give them. Losing players to the game's own nature is a very weak logic, imho.
But whatever.
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Post by cloudstrife on Sept 20, 2013 17:19:41 GMT -5
For the record, I voted "No". Although I appreciated the help we've had in unlocking new towers, I have always disproved of it. In fact, I first disproved of it when I was a mod. I always encourage working hard towards goals and seeing hard work pay off.
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Post by Chrissy on Sept 20, 2013 18:22:23 GMT -5
Hanashi you obviously mad about Zorba for being away and not answering your requests although you dont have to be so bitter.
You not years in this game to know how veterans helped to survive at the days when less that 10 people only logged into it. I wont bother to take things seriously of those you are saying cause you not into their head to understand how they thinking.
Ive already gave many weapons over these years to new players and helped them a lot with weapons, money and also also gems if you wanna know.. I wasnt forced to do it but i might been kind enough who at the end i shouldn't cause some people are envy and greedy all they know is to ask.
Ive been a newbie too at 2009 and none helped me i build myself of my own and i got the right to ask & demand better things from this game.
Dont see any reason of being a defender of the newbies since in your case you not a poor one, you spent a lot at campaign and we all appreciate that but dont have to react this way.
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Post by Hanashi on Sept 20, 2013 19:07:35 GMT -5
You're right, Chrissy. Sorry to lash out on you. You're not to blame, I guess. Still, I don't agree with this. I cannot know what people actually think, but I have been playing games for a very, very long time and I have been newbie on all of them, and some things don't change. Newcomers have a hard time. Newcomers need some incentive to stay around so they can go deeper into the towers/items/game mechanics/gear/community, and fall in love with the game as we all have. Because not everyone will love PG at first sight, and you have to admit that this game is one of the most challenging games to get a grip of at the beginning. Let's be honest, it's d**n hard and slow when you first start this game. It was even slower when season 2 wasn't available (speaking of which, why not make Season 2 the spawn point??). Now, that's why some vets hang around the spawn area, isn't it? To help newcomer to learn a bit and stay. So, maybe opening new areas will help vets to be "not-bored" and they will have renewed energy to help newbies, or maybe they'll be too busy exploring the new areas so nobody will be there to help the newbies, how to know? Do you know this? What do you think will happen? I give you that it's not a responsibility for veterans to help newbies, but if no more newbies stay this game will eventually wither and die. And all your hard work/earned items of years with it. So, not their responsibility, but yes their interest. All and all, they are the ones that have more to lose if the game goes down (and I really hope that never happens!). So, my only concern to defend newbies is because I want them to stay, not because I'm some kind of Robin Hood. I have never nor will I ever give free stuff to anyone. Not ever. I just want a healthy population of players so I can be sure that one of my favorite games will be cared for by devs and support staff (still waiting for an answer) and we will get more upgrades and so on, and so on.. I think is healthy to have all sort of different opinions on every matter, even if not everyone is qualified to give theirs. So, well.. Don't be mad at me. I already apologized
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Post by Chrissy on Sept 20, 2013 20:11:55 GMT -5
Im not mad at you Hanashi.
Its not about finding the easiest way for qualified players, im not advocate veterans we all equal. Everybody is necessary here and its not our fault when things go bad.
I also wrote many things at this message but i deleted them. So tired of discussing this subject so i wanna give an end.
All i know is that things should start working back soon and better fast this time, otherwise we will never catch up JP and always feel disappointed.
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Post by kunichi on Sept 21, 2013 3:54:36 GMT -5
What if, the amount we have to collect to open the new tower would be decreased from the one that there is on the JP servers (if its not already) Because we have to admit that at the moment it's going to take a long while to unlock stage 18 With Zorba's Help already given! Our population isn't as big as the one in the Japanese Server so there is less help. Bottom line, could the goal be deducted to a fair amount, not too high, not too low, an amount that wont cause you to give up
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Post by Freezie on Sept 21, 2013 14:52:56 GMT -5
Our population compared to Jp Pg is obviously lower, and I think its a good idea to lower amount of donating needed to a respectable amount.
However, how many of us wait until Zorba opens the tower? If Zorba does change the amount of donatings, how many of us will work on opening it with ought his help? or will we ask for his help again?
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Post by Chrissy on Sept 21, 2013 19:15:00 GMT -5
Its not about asking for help but if we worth to get it.
When some of you are not even willing to sacrifice a potential reward how you expect Zorba to help us out?
The inner point of all these is to make you guys think that its about time to volunteer without a payback.
We all know at previous openings when most people saved their items for donate only when there's was a chance to get an orb.
If i were the admin and having players acting this way i wouldn't even bother to help them when there was a chance some of the selfish people get a potential reward out of my help.
So the reason why im telling all these is because i want all of us to show some respect & maturity. When there's no dilemma for the admin it would be easier to share his help to us since it would be free from both sides.
The number has been already decreased but its still too much.. its not few hundreds but thousands.
Very tired of this conversation after all whatever we say Zorba will decide. Maybe he is not able to do anything and all these bla bla bla are made for nothing.
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