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Post by romtu on Mar 3, 2009 18:37:25 GMT -5
Currently scorpions and cokatrices are really overpowered, especially scorpions.
If a scorpion hits you once, you're dead. It will stun you, then hit and stun you until you die and there is nothing you can do to stop it. This is especially annoying when it is such a small and worthless monster. I can understand every monster being able to do damage, but even a vampire doesn't kill you in one hit. The scorpion shouldn't paralyze you.
The cokatrice is also overpowered, since it has a lot of health, does a lot of damage and can petrify you, but it only gives you a feather if you kill it. It either needs to be weaker, or it needs to have a better reward. I would prefer it had a better reward.
Edit: heh, didn't realize there was a filter.
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Post by ~>Kami<~ on Mar 3, 2009 19:32:35 GMT -5
XD At first I didn't understand what you were saying with "Thingyatrice" But I got it. The Cocatrice, right? Or someting like that lol
But I agree. That thing takes a lot to kill and gives you a reward of feathers D:
I think, the harder it is the better the reward. I agree with what you're saying!
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Post by Cornelia on Mar 4, 2009 0:52:42 GMT -5
That's when teamwork comes into play.
Scorpion has stunned you and is poking you for 1 damage? Call a fellow team mate for help.
Coc*atrice is pwning you? Gangbang it with your Team! Or just avoid it if you think it's not worth the rewards.
Seriously, some maps just weren't meant to be run solo. As far as I know Japanese version has the same monsters and they do just fine. Instead of changing them we should rather increase the size of our community, so we can form bigger Teams and have easier time killing them.
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Post by romtu on Mar 4, 2009 1:51:55 GMT -5
Yeah, the scorpion is much more manageable with a team, but if they can't kill it before it kills you, you're screwed. It's not even just they need to assist you, they need to completely kill it or it will keep attacking you. It's very difficult for a teammate to get to you in time before you die. I know from experience. It wouldn't really matter either if you got more than a lousy venom bag out of it. With the scorpion, it doesn't seem like they originally intended for it to be so freaking strong, but the paralysis combined with fast reattacks just make it a beast.
I'm not just saying they're too hard. I'm saying the rewards don't match the difficulty. Why make a really strong monster that just gives you a feather? All that does is make it wise to simply skip the monster unless you have a huge team, at which point all monsters are the same since they die in 2 seconds. It's poor game design to make parts of the game that people want to just skip.
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Post by Cornelia on Mar 4, 2009 9:47:02 GMT -5
Well, the point of these monsters, at least in my opinion, is to be a nuisance and annoy you, so it's natural that you should skip them. Unless you really need feathers or venom bags. Which still makes the co*katrice pointless, because there's a good number of monsters that drop feathers and are a lot easier.
Are you saying that spikes or traps in platform games should also be removed, because people avoid them instead of falling in?
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Post by romtu on Mar 4, 2009 10:37:09 GMT -5
Annoying the players is generally a bad idea. Avoiding spikes or traps is different, because that's avoiding hazards, not skipping worthless monsters.
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Post by Zorba, The Leaf on Mar 4, 2009 11:33:26 GMT -5
Not to state the obvious, but another way to avoid this annoyance is not to get poisoned or petrified by them, which isn't that difficult. Improving your skill and your range of weapons makes it quite possible to avoid the damage inflicted by these critters. But you have to be alert and ready for them when they come.
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Post by romtu on Mar 4, 2009 15:08:27 GMT -5
Oh, it's very possible to avoid the scorpions, but the problem is that if you slip up once, you're dead. It doesn't make sense for such a seemingly weak monster to kill you with a single hit. With the cokatrices, the issue is just that they have a lot of health, do a fair amount of damage, yet they just drop feathers. I like the cokatrice and I think they're an interesting monster, they just need better items.
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Post by ~>Kami<~ on Mar 4, 2009 23:53:26 GMT -5
I think the main point being missed is the fact that the items they give do not match it's difficulty.
Corn even said it, that you could go after easier birds to get feathers. But then what is the point of the creature?
Personally I wouldn't mind something a little cooler than feathers from the Coc*atrice.
XD
I'm for the better items from a difficult creature.
Like how you get the Down and sometimes a feather from the, dodo is it?
That bird is more worthwile and still pretty easy to take out.
*shrug*
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